We had not left quite enough room for a standard garage install and had to get creative with our rear garage door. Here is the video…
The Video
Bells and Whistles
The door was from Lowes and came with the S3 winder so I wasn’t too worried about the torsion spring. I got a side mount garage door opener, specifically a Liftmaster 8500, and was really happy with it.
One interesting side thing: The Liftmaster 8500 had a bunch of extra special features, such as a wireless light, programmable control, etc. but the most interesting thing (to me anyway) was the way the sensors worked. Every other garage door I have owned had a sensor so that if you walked past as it was going down, it would stop and open up. This is the sensor that you always “hop over” if you want to sneak out of the garage as the door is going down. How do you improve on such a basic sensor function? When I first installed it, it didn’t seem to be working, but then I realized that the improvement is simply to wait and see if the obstacle is there for more than a moment. If you just walk past, it doesn’t trip it, no special hop-while-ducking required. You need to interrupt the beam for at least half a second to stop the door from coming down. Pretty minor, but it makes a nice difference 😉
The style of the home is something my wife and I are calling “Modern Tuscan“. To us, this means a stucco and stone exterior. While the majority of the Quonset hut will be buried, the Fox Block ICF endwalls would be visible (and prominent) and need to be stuccoed. But first, we would need to attach lath to hold the stucco. Since the work was pretty standard, I decided to hire a professional to take care of the actual stucco work. This is the story of how that all came together, but first, the video.
The Video
Lath overlap
As always, this is a journal of my progress, not a “how to”. I don’t always do things the right way at the start, although I do usually learn from my initial mistakes. For the lath, I read about attachment details like how often to put screws in each direction (and then I exceeded it), but I didn’t pay too much attention to the part about overlapping the lath and just butt jointed everything so the surface would be flatter for the stucco. Probably I was also thinking about saving on lath. At a later point, I changed my mind, so the later pieces are properly overlapped… Either way, the professional stucco guys said we did a good job and only needed to add some J-pieces to form the bottom edge.
The window
With such a large and prominent wall, I knew I needed a window to break up the space. Personally, I think a square window would have looked stupid, so I bit the bullet and budgeted for a nice round window. At least I went with a standard diameter window so it wouldn’t need to be custom.
However, when I finally got to this stucco stage, I wasn’t ready to order the windows. I want to order them all at once to get the bulk discount, and I wanted to build all (or most) of the bucks before I order, so… In the meantime, I decided to go with polycarbonate Lexan. This is pretty basic stuff that you can buy from Home Depot less than 1/10th the price of a window. The R-value is also pretty similar to a double pane window. I figured it would at least give us a temporary solution that would keep the inside dry over the winter.
It ended up looking so good, I might just decide to keep it this way. We will see how well it holds up to UV. Obviously, if it yellows or cracks over time, I will switch to glass. But it did claim to be “UV stable” and has looked fine so far, so I am optimistic.
Still, I wanted to make sure that the window opening was ready for proper glass so that the stucco edge would all be done correctly. We used wood strips to form a curb, and then put two layers of the tar paper to protect the wood and then a strip of lath to hold the stucco. Lots of screws…
Getting a Contractor
I have had many struggles with getting contractors to work on the more unusual parts of my build, but I was surprised to even have trouble getting something as basic as “stucco over ICF”. Very few of these companies advertise properly, probably because most are kept busy by professional builders and are not actually looking for work. Eventually, I went to the stucco supplier and asked for a list of names and recommendations. One of those paid off, but even then I had to wait quite a while to fit into the schedule.
Of course, the contractor, Hoffman Plastering, did a great job in terms of how nice and flat the wall was (they certainly had to compensate for my less than professional ICF job). Their classic worm finish was also excellent.
Cracking
However, in the months after the stucco was applied, we did get a bunch of fairly obvious cracks in various places and we have not been able to get them to come out and take a look. On the phone, they said that it was probably my fault. Essentially, they blamed the copper cap and said that water probably got behind the stucco and froze, but I was able to find pics showing the start of the cracks before the first freeze, also the cracks look more like ones that are caused by expansion and contraction of the stucco its self. Basically, I imagine that if the south wall expanded in the sunshine, this narrow region would be the highest stress concentration and the most likely to crack. The inspector thought it may have been that the top layer was applied too soon after the brown coat. The contractor may have rushed that step because the work was done in October. The cracks are not wide enough to get the edge of a coin or screwdriver in there, but are still concerning. The conclusion of this story is still on hold, but I should probably do something before winter when water might actually get in thru those cracks and cause further problems when it freezes.
Future Stucco?
I wish I could hire a contractor to stucco the rest of it. Their work was excellent (other than the cracking) and the quote to handle the rest of it was probably fair per square ft. The problem is just the large number of square ft required. The majority of the cost is the professional labor, the actual materials are a very small fraction of the cost. Therefore, I am guessing I will need to do it myself. With any luck, my skills will grow quickly.
Gallery
As per usual… A collection of pics related to the lath and stucco.
Lath is ready on the north side…
Working with Hunter Mitchell often made me smile.
A view thru the Polycarbonate Lexan window
The window ready for stucco
I put a septic hookup on the front of the house for friends with campers.
This was the stucco setup. Scaffolding ready in the back and a stucco mixing station in the front left.
I took pics of the ingredients. Basically, it was just cement, hydrated lime and masonry sand. I’ll probably have to do this myself next time.
The bags of hydrated lime looked pretty old ;^)
The stucco sample. I would say it looks pretty much exactly like the final work.
Scratch coat near the ends of the walls.
Scratch coat with the light base.
Scratch coat near the north garage door.
Scratch coat on the north side
Since I couldn’t come out (busy working to pay for the stucco), Sherri and Boys would go out to check on things and set up my camera.
Sherri and David posing while they set up the camera.
The wide angle GoPro always makes things look different.
Brown coat, first 7 ft.
Hoffman plastering did a great job with the stones.
Stone arch is in. Note the stones are not really wedge shaped, but it still looks good.
Stone arch is in
Scratch done.
A little progress pic of the brown coat, scratch coat and final stone work all in one shot.
Brown coat finished on the front.
This is a section on the north side by the garage door that was still only scratch coat 3 days before they were totally done. I suspect they rushed these last steps and the result will be that the final stucco will crack along with the base coat instead of being applied after it cracks.
This ugly spot will be covered over by window trim, but I wanted to show you how the guys from Hoffman plastering went the extra mile. The back wall had some issues with being plumb and straight near the rear windows. I thought it was just the way it was going to be, but they just went really thick (~2 inches) until they got it all nice and plumb again.
Suddenly, final stucco
Final stucco coat
The final job looked really excellent.
Stones above the door.
A close up of the top of the column between the stones. The white patch is just the electrical box for the lighting.
Final stucco near the round window. They did a great job on that edge.
A close up of the final stucco
A little while later after adding the lights and copper trim… (notice cracks are already starting to form to the left of the light)
The skid steer just barely fits under the stone arch… I hold my breath every time I go in or out.
Cracks started to firm. Here is a pic with my hand for scale. This is on the north side.
On the south side, the main cracks were across this narrow space between the corners of the doors and the outer edge. I can imagine that this is due to expansion finding the weakest part to crack…
Similar geometry on the South West corner leading to a similar crack.
After a lot of setup work, we were finally ready to have the shotcrete sprayed over our bedroom wing. The Quonset garage was actually done at the same time, but that is another post.
In this post, we have some pics to illustrate the process and challenges, along with some tips for anyone planning to do something similar.
But first, The video.
The Video
Challenges
Financial
Try to get a quote that includes some expectation of how far they will get.
With each shotcrete visit, the cost (when I divide out per yard) has gone up dramatically. I don’t have the calculation right in front of me, but this visit was more than double the cost per yard of the basement job, and that first one totally blew the original estimate out of the water. So, as you can imagine, we have now (writing after the 3rd shotcrete session) blown thru all the money we allocated for shotcrete in the budget. It is not so much that the shotcrete company underestimated the daily costs, but they dramatically overstated the amount they could get done in a day. During this run, there was one day when they only got 8 yards (because the compressor broke), other days got 16 or 24. They said they would pro-rate, but in the end, the costs were all the same per day. If you are paying a daily rate and the volume can vary from 8 to 24 yards, it is difficult to budget.
We will need to come to a better agreement that factors in some of my expectations when we do the next shotcrete. We want to be fair (it is hard specialized work), but we don’t want to go bankrupt either. Next time, I am going to try and work in some better expectations of how far they should get for the money. It probably seems basic, but I am sure it is easier said than done.
A few more guys is a good thing.
Each day costs thousands of dollars for the base crew and concrete… The extra finishing guys are just a few hundred dollars each. That is a bargain when you realize how much energy they save the base crew (so those guys get more concrete up) and how much smoother they make the walls (so you can save on waterproofing).
The lift will save you more than it costs.
The lift rental was over a thousand dollars. This got worse because the shotcrete took a weekend and several days more than expected. But actually, they guys at Wolverine Rental were pretty cool about it and made me a good deal that factored in days when I wasn’t actually using the rental, even though it was sitting on my lot.
The crew would have liked a nicer lift with a more powerful engine and tracks, I can’t even comment on how much more that would have cost because I simply couldn’t find one at any of the rental places in my area. I suppose it would have saved a little time (they got stuck a few times), but probably not enough to justify the additional cost (I am guessing it would be a lot more).
The crew also complained about not having a second lift for the finishing crew. Looking back, this may have paid for its self… I’ll have to do a more careful financial analysis when I get a chance, but probably. Looking forward toward my remaining shotcrete jobs, I don’t think there will be enough lift work to justify two, but maybe…
After saying all the negative stuff first for some reason… I will also say that I am pretty sure the lift really saved us more than it cost. Certainly, it was necessary for reaching the awkward hard-to-reach places with that shotcrete hose. But it also helped in the other areas where they could have used scaffolding or some “cheaper” method. It helped move the hose around and allowed the guys to conserve their energy so they could get further in a day and do a better job. I can do a quick mental calculation and say that it easily saved me much more than it cost.
Update: Funny side update, but 6 months later the Shotcrete contractor texted me to say that the lift (which his crew operated) damaged his 900$ hose while it was pulling it around. Later in the text conversation, he said he would be nice and not bill me for the damage. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Chunks
One of the mix trucks must have had some old cement set inside it after a previous delivery. When it brought us our concrete, those chunks broke off and jammed up the concrete pump causing us to lose nearly an hour while the shotcrete guys tried to get the chunks out again. Because we delayed the cement truck past the time they expected it to stay on site, the concrete company charged us an extra fee (75$), which was nothing compared to the value of the delay to us… Any longer and we would have had to dump the remaining concrete. At the time, Sherri took this picture of the chunks so we could argue against the silly charge, but in the end, the 75$ wasn’t enough to bother fighting.
The chunks of concrete that came out of the mix truck and jammed the concrete pump. Sherri’s shoes for scale.
Equipment
The concrete comes from the supplier in a mix truck. The factory adds the dry ingredients into the truck according to the recipe from the shotcrete guys. It is basically a 7 sack mix with sand and peastone and Fly Ash (carbon nanospheres that help it flow) and various other admixtures determined by the weather and other conditions. Along the way, water is added and the barrel of the truck turns to mix it up while on the way (which is why it is called “transit mix”). They need to get the concrete out of the mix truck and on the wall within 90 minutes of starting to mix it.
Once on site, the concrete truck dumps the wet concrete into the hopper of the concrete pump. This pump uses a 110 HP Cummins diesel engine to power two large 6-inch diameter pistons that can handle pumping concrete with aggregates at a rate of up to 50 cubic yards per hour. Of course, they never got above 8 yards per hour, but that is more a function of the complexity of my design.
Meanwhile, the compressor sends high-pressure air thru the smaller hose (1-inch diameter) to the nozzle where it meets the pumped concrete and blasts it thru the nozzle and out into the air…
All of this comes together in the nozzle. The most obvious control is a mixing valve for adjusting the ratio of air to concrete right behind the nozzle. The concrete pump is controlled by a remote that was usually carried by another guy (who could go over and check the pump when something goes wrong). The nozzle man indirectly controls the flow rate of the concrete pump by communicating with hand signals (and occasional verbal abuse) to the guy with the remote. The nozzle is also pretty heavy and the video clips show how the nozzle man has to work with his whole body to control it, often while standing in very precarious positions. The end of the nozzle is a rubber tip that can be switched out depending on the task or concrete properties. The nozzleman can control the fan of the shotcrete spray by pinching this tip with his fingers.
From there, it is all muscle and skill as the nozzleman builds up the concrete in the right places, properly encasing the rebar and all the other annoying things I have in my walls.
These are the main pieces of equipment that make shotcrete possible.
Big job
Shotcrete requires a lot of setup to get rolling. Once the guys get rolling, they can only put up so much concrete in any one place before it starts to schlep off. Instead of doing the bedrooms and Quonset separately as two smaller jobs, we combined them. I am pretty sure this saved us money and gave the shotcrete guys somewhere to go when the one-half of the project needed some time to cure.
Gallery
I guess I’ll tell the other stories here in the gallery.
Bonnie helped me get a lot of final prep work done, like sweeping off the footings and adding extra ties (not sure how overboard we went).
First shotcrete
Nothing is getting thru the screen
First wall
First troweling
second wall
Troweling the walls
Starting on the next section while the guys trowel the first
Three guys each doing their part
At one point on the first morning, it started it rain. Bonnie and I put up plastic to keep it from causing problems on the inside shotcrete. Actually, at this point, Bonnie is doing all the work and I was just taking a picture
These are the main pieces of equipment that make shocrete possible.
Part way thru…
Getting started
Shooting an internal wall while I setup the camera.
If the house didn’t need to be buried, this “transparent” roof would be really cool.
Scaffold jacks are faster to place than scaffolding. They just cut a hole in the shotcrete to make a ledge for one side. Later, they patch up that hole.
Scaffold jacks are faster to place than scaffolding. They just cut a hole in the shotcrete to make a ledge for one side. Later, they patch up that hole.
Early on the first day
This east end gave the most trouble for the shotcrete, but they got it eventually
For some reason the color of this pic really pops…
Occasionally, to get the right angle, they had to get out of the basket. But they minimized this for several reasons.
The lift was really essential for this job. In addition to making it possible to reach the high places, it also took a lot of load off the crew by helping to lug around the hose.
The chunks of concrete that came out of the mix truck and jammed the concrete pump. Sherri’s shoes for scale.
While they were there, I had them pump in a couple footings bits that I forgot to include earlier.
Shooting from the lift
This part of the wall was too high to reach from the ground and too awkward to reach from the roof, so it just didn’t get troweled. Here is where that second lift would have come in handy. Instead, it was a nightmare to waterproof… More on that next time.
At some point part way thru…
Smoothing out the inside surface after they guys are done shooting… It is easy now. Much harder after everything sets.
Smoothing out the inside surface after they guys are done shooting… It is easy now. Much harder after everything sets.
This is how most of the inside surface looked. The screen effectively blocked the shotcrete from blowing thru the lath.
This is how the inside surface looked when there was a gap in the screen.
David just sitting in the hall at the end of the day… Seemed someone picturesque in a war-zone kind of way.
I loved going up in the lift to get a good view (and pictures) of the project.
Low angle lift view
The boys, up in a lift, looking over the work.
IN the afternoons, after the crew would leave, Sherri and I would use the lift to do other jobs, like put up lath on the garage.
This is a couple days in.
Here you can see some of the insulation we stuffed in the valleys to keep the weight down. We then covered over this with additional concrete so water could easily flow off.
3rd day, working on both the garage while the bedrooms were curing.
Here you can see the rebar, vent stack, etc. near the top of the quonset hut.
This was two or three days in…
Guys on the roof of the Quonset on the last day.
Top of the quonset
At the end of the second to last day, the Quonset hut was rough and the skylight curbs were not quite finished.
Final view of the garage from the lift.
The master bedroom has windows facing south and east
The master bedroom ceiling had a somewhat “fabric” look to it when it was all over.
Inside the master bedroom, this back corner will become the master bath.
Sherri is very concerned about upsetting the neighbors, so she was out there trying to sweep off the mess after all the trucks left.
